Comments on: Creative Commons Launches Study of “Noncommercial Use” https://creativecommons.org/2008/09/18/creative-commons-launches-study-of-noncommercial-use-2/ Join us in building a more vibrant and usable global commons! Mon, 07 Dec 2015 09:33:01 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6.1 By: zzo38computer.cjb.net/ https://creativecommons.org/2008/09/18/creative-commons-launches-study-of-noncommercial-use-2/#comment-1904 Tue, 10 Aug 2010 22:49:40 +0000 http://creativecommons.org/?p=9557#comment-1904 These are a good reason for not using the NC licenses. I prefer the CC-BY-SA (and I don’t really care much about the “BY” part).

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By: Linda van Ekelenburg https://creativecommons.org/2008/09/18/creative-commons-launches-study-of-noncommercial-use-2/#comment-1903 Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:38:40 +0000 http://creativecommons.org/?p=9557#comment-1903 I would like to use some images (very few, just a couple) of Digital Deutsch, published by the AATG and the Goethe-Institut, on an unsophisticated website that I will be trying to build myself (no experience) to inform that I am a private teacher and translator of German. I would give full attribution. Is this permitted?
Thank you

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By: Mike Linksvayer https://creativecommons.org/2008/09/18/creative-commons-launches-study-of-noncommercial-use-2/#comment-1902 Mon, 05 Oct 2009 04:16:02 +0000 http://creativecommons.org/?p=9557#comment-1902 The study was published almost exactly one year later, see http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/17127

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By: Stuart Jamieson https://creativecommons.org/2008/09/18/creative-commons-launches-study-of-noncommercial-use-2/#comment-1901 Sat, 03 Oct 2009 20:37:11 +0000 http://creativecommons.org/?p=9557#comment-1901 There has been a big push in the UK for places where music can be heard by the public to pay royalties to the PRS.
Roger Wagner raises the point that distribution channels should not be regarded as “wrong” and the situation above provides a good test for a distribution channel.
If playing music in my business gives me an advantage over a rival business who does not play music should I have to pay for that advantage?

In my own experience I want to make a film, I want to make it NC-Attribution and I want to use a piece of music by a NC-Attribution composer because I’m a fan of his work and want to promote it through my work. Now the best way to promote my film is to distribute it through regular channels who will seek to make a profit on my work – I can accept this as it draws attention to my work and encourages people to source it through NC distribution channels, but legally am I allowed to given that it includes the NC-Attribution licence which I know will be broken by someone further down the distribution chain and should I be the one responsible for that breaking?

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By: Øystein Jakobsen https://creativecommons.org/2008/09/18/creative-commons-launches-study-of-noncommercial-use-2/#comment-1900 Sun, 20 Sep 2009 15:44:01 +0000 http://creativecommons.org/?p=9557#comment-1900 Since my last post in this thread a group of people have formed a NPO named FriBit, with the purpose of maximising public access to knowledge and culture.

Im asking for the Creative Commons to help us define a commercial license, named the Genero license. The idea is that a licensor can state conditions for commercial use, and any distributor can use his work for commercial use, as long as he adheres to the stated business terms. We are also building a commercial ecosystem, with a registry, payment solutions and more. A video and a presentation describing the project in English the project is found here: http://www.fribit.no/prosjekter/genero (two links at the bottom)

The Genero licence text can be found here:
http://prosjekter.fribit.no/wiki/genero/Genero_Licence

It should be noted that the project has been nominated for the NUUG award (Norwegian Unix User Groups) by the leader of Electronic Frontier Norway, and that several notable “Copyleft” people has expressed interest in the project, including Matt Mason, Cory Doctorow and Brett Gaylor. I hope that you will assist us in our endeavours to promote free culture.

Anyone can register at http://prosjekter.fribit.no project site and start editing.

To those that have mentioned exclusions from a free licence the freedom to make commercials and promotional use, we have done so. However for non-commercial promotional use, we cannot exclude these freedoms as they are part of the CC-NC rights. I also believe such a restriction would turn alot of people, such as our own NPO, into criminals as they use song snippets in small videos and one has to be careful.

The licence and the provided ecosystem should provide sufficient incentive to employ the Genero license, but not more. It is not about equity, it is about maximising access and promoting derivative works.

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By: Djuna Ivereigh https://creativecommons.org/2008/09/18/creative-commons-launches-study-of-noncommercial-use-2/#comment-1899 Fri, 14 Aug 2009 03:37:25 +0000 http://creativecommons.org/?p=9557#comment-1899 Roger Wager & Bill Fisher raise interesting questions, above. Is intellectual property, or any private property, inherently evil and barbaric? In principle, I argue, they are not. It is *greed* that is evil and barbaric. And IP law is the only thing checking that greed on behalf of artists and media content creators. Is IP law abused? Yes, but this is a symptom of a larger disease — corporate giants buying our legislature and jamming our courts with overpaid lawyers. Lets direct our battle cries in that direction!

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By: Djuna Ivereigh https://creativecommons.org/2008/09/18/creative-commons-launches-study-of-noncommercial-use-2/#comment-1898 Fri, 14 Aug 2009 03:20:27 +0000 http://creativecommons.org/?p=9557#comment-1898 Clearly, there are many definitions of “commercial use”. We thus need a variety of commercial license options.

As a minimum, I’d like a CC license that can exclude any of the following uses:

advertising use
editorial use by a media organization
non-profit promotional use

This seems easy to implement and use, in turn for a lot more control.

Down the road, I hope CC will integrate with the very fine license control developed for PLUS (the Picture Licensing Universal System, http://www.useplus.com). This would give visual media makers heaps more freedom and comfort in sharing and protecting their work.

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By: Djuna Ivereigh https://creativecommons.org/2008/09/18/creative-commons-launches-study-of-noncommercial-use-2/#comment-1897 Sun, 09 Aug 2009 05:21:10 +0000 http://creativecommons.org/?p=9557#comment-1897 Are the results of this study available? Where?

Thank you 🙂
Djuna

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By: Mike Linksvayer https://creativecommons.org/2008/09/18/creative-commons-launches-study-of-noncommercial-use-2/#comment-1896 Thu, 06 Aug 2009 03:17:11 +0000 http://creativecommons.org/?p=9557#comment-1896 Bill,

I appreciate the logic of your critique of ownership. Could you explain why you think this critique favors a narrow definition of noncommercial use?

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By: Bill Fisher https://creativecommons.org/2008/09/18/creative-commons-launches-study-of-noncommercial-use-2/#comment-1895 Wed, 05 Aug 2009 20:03:14 +0000 http://creativecommons.org/?p=9557#comment-1895 I believe that our descendants will look at the idea of intellectual property as a barbaric concept that held back human development in the fields of art and engineering and perhaps other areas as well.

The idea is predicated on an concept of the self as an independent being, unsupported by the larger, collective consciousness or culture of ideas. The assumption behind intellectual property relies on a model of consciousness that is based on the Cartesian theater, not one rooted in modern cognitive science. The mind is an ecosystem of ideas, not one’s personal factory. We must embrace our true nature and release ourselves from the bondage of intellectual property.

Is a kid on YouTube strumming a Rolling Stones song doing something “wrong”, or is he participating validly in his own cultural heritage? Where is folk music, where songs are learned, modified, and passed on to others, now that intellectual property has destroyed it? Where has our culture-as-mind gone, now that it cannot communicate freely with itself?

Further, people only make money in one of two ways: labor or ownership. I think it’s perfectly valid to make money from one’s labor, but making money from ownership is really just like a landlord making a living off of other people’s labor, just because the law says he can. If the law wasn’t there, no one would pay rent. Maintaining a building would become a service, where a person would make money from labor. The analogy can easily be made with software.

For these reasons, I hope the Creative Commons community will favor the most narrow of definitions for noncommercial use, and push forward toward freedom of information and ideas.

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