Talk:George W. Bush

Moved old talk to Talk:George W. Bush Archive, Talk:George W. Bush Archive2

I replaced the picture with a more recent one just now. There was the original (a decent photo but Bush looks about 35 - it must be really old), then an anon stuck in one with a really silly look on his face, which was promptly reverted. Meanwhile, I trawled around, found a suitable recent shot at www.whitehouse.gov, pasted it in. Two questions: (a) It is OK to use stuff from there without copyright problems, yes? (b) should I trim the attribution at the bottom and move the information in it to the image talk page? Tannin 12:47 Mar 30, 2003 (UTC)

I made a bunch of edits to this page, mostly to expand on some important areas that deserved a more encyclopedia-ish description, and to remove what I saw as a lot of blatantly biased anti-Bush sections.

It seems to me that an easy way to dance around the NPOV rule is to tack a grand lists of "criticisms" to a page of a poltician or idea you do not agree with. While explaining the existance of criticism and popular opinion is important, I think we should all remember that an encyclopedia is not a college thesis paper or a trial. The purpose is not to convince the reader to think a certain way, or view events in a certain light, but rather to present the facts and allow the reader to draw his own conclusions.

I thus removed and revised some of the "lists of criticisms" mostly because I felt they were either not sufficiently countered by an "other side" or presented in anything close to proper context.

I could see that work went in to them, and certainly I believe they have a time and place. I am not convinced, however, that they belong here. Perhaps a "Criticism of George W. Bush" page could provide a sufficent forum for people to raise their concerns?

user:J.J.

I very much agree. This page is getting a bit cluttered, and anyway should probably focus more on biographical information and summaries of what Bush has done in office so far, instead of analyses of his actions. Since everyone has much to say about his policies, a separate article (or articles) is probably necessary and inevitable. -- Minesweeper 04:09 May 8, 2003 (UTC)

Hmm, the first few pages I'd found before all had "Secretary of Treasury", e.g. http://www.whitehouse.gov/government/cabinet.html , but there are a fair number of places that say "Secretary of the Treasury", too, and that's where we already have an article, so I'll leave it with "the" in there. I wish they could at least be consistent with themselves about these things! -- John Owens 03:45 May 8, 2003 (UTC)

The Treasury Dept's website (http://www.treas.gov/education/faq/treasury/officials.html) has "the" in it, so we should stick with it. Leaving the "the" out probably isn't incorrect, but having it there is definitely more correct. -- Minesweeper 04:09 May 8, 2003 (UTC)